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Entrapta, Princess of Dryl ([personal profile] tinyfood) wrote in [community profile] aefenglom2019-10-25 10:33 pm

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Name: Entrapta
Date: oct 16th
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HELLO! I WANT TO COLLECT SOME DATA.

IF YOU HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT ETHICS, PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:

1] ARE THERE ACTIONS YOU CONSIDER UNACCEPTABLE REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE EXAMPLES

2] ARE THERE SOME MITIGATING CONTEXTS THAT RENDER OTHERWISE UNACCEPTABLE ACTIONS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE EXAMPLES

3] IF A PERSON HAS PERFORMED AN UNACCEPTABLE ACTION, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER AN APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT?

THANKS! 8)
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[personal profile] bloodwit 2019-10-30 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
True progress.

[ of course that would be the answer. ]

[ and truth be told, it had been something of a platitude, so now he has to bullshit something on the spot, but -- ]

Because, as you recognized, your feelings are... [ he almost said 'blinding,' he almost did. ] ... impairing your view of it. [ err, yes. ] Your disgust causes you discomfort, yes? Even if they are different practices.

Perhaps you would argue with me, that letting go of that feeling would mean losing some sense of morality — I think, even if not completely, it would be more forward-thinking.
faithlikeaseed: (blind - :J)

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2019-10-30 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
[of course! but myr had to put it out there anyway.

...he actually laughs, quietly, at the response. not because it's ridiculous or anything, it's simply--struck him in exactly the right way.
]

A healthy discomfort, I'd say. A readiness to question whether or not all of it's necessary or right. With so many people here ready to be forward-thinking, or at least accepting of whatever's thrown at us, we're not likely to all go wrong as a group if I'm digging in my heels, are we?

I've found that simply swallowing my distaste isn't always the best way to deal with it. Maybe you're right I'll find reasons to, in time, but I'd rather that not be the inevitable outcome just because it would make getting along easier.
bloodwit: (this event will be history)

[personal profile] bloodwit 2019-10-30 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
[ ... viren doesn't know why he thinks he heard a chuckle, just now, but you know, whatever!! as myr explains, he feels a frown tugging at his mouth. ]

Yes...

[ truth be told, others' discomfort of using something as simple as blood to power a spell isn't something unfamiliar to viren; many would be uneasy with the idea back home as well, where things may lead. there's a sigh, ]

Very well. [ and he knows one isn't free of that uneasiness simply because someone tells them they should be so, even if they did readily agree. ] Hold onto your discomfort; may you find it worthwhile.
faithlikeaseed: cw for graphic eye injury further down the page (blind - chipmunk grin)

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2019-10-30 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
That I shall, and I hope you'll still do me the service of challenging it now and again.

[a thoughtful little hum, then:] Though am I to take it from your line of argument you've championed similarly disputed magic before?

[let's see where that goes. possibly straight into a wall.]
bloodwit: (and to you)

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[personal profile] bloodwit 2019-10-30 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
[ few things would give him greater pleasure, myr. ]

Of course.
bloodwit: (MAGIC SCIENCE BS)

[personal profile] bloodwit 2019-10-30 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
[ as for that next bit... well. ]

[ there's a pause before he answers; when he arrived, he twisted the truth of how magic relates to humans, just a bit, unsure of its reception. and the current climate as of late is, as the faun's acknowledged, particularly abysmal as it may relates to it. but --

that's hardly ever stopped him from advocating for its use before.
]

There are... a variety of types of magic in my world, yes, drawing from different sources. This type does require sacrifice -- but it does not thin any Veil, nor would it require any ill intent; quite often, it's used for good. In fact, it's saved thousands of lives, and has improved the lives of a great many more.
Edited (i lost a punctuation mark!!!) 2019-10-30 22:20 (UTC)
faithlikeaseed: (blind - knucklebite)

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2019-11-01 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
[hm mm, that is a careful way of putting it.]

But the sacrifice is something many would see as objectionable, I take it? [delicately.] Assuming you don't have the problem we do on Thedas, where any magic is seen as suspect to a certain set.
bloodwit: (claudia play despacito)

[personal profile] bloodwit 2019-11-01 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The sacrifice - is worth the outcome. [ well, that much is painfully apparent that he would think that!!!!! ] And, some of the distaste others harbor for it is rooted in fallacy.

[ his tone had lightened considerably when he spoke of dark magic; with myr's response, there's now irritation to it. he shouldn't have expected an elven mage to find it as something awe-worthy, he thinks with some bitterness. there's a click of fangs coming together. ]

... Magic-users are quite rare, among humans. It wouldn't be surprising that there would be be sets out there that view all magic as suspicious. But, no - that is generally not the case.
Edited (reading comprehension ) 2019-11-01 22:26 (UTC)
faithlikeaseed: (blind - concern)

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2019-11-02 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
[myr's is not a suspicious heart; his mind does not leap to the kind of sacrifice that involves another being. instead, he's trying to imagine what odious thing viren must have done to himself that would win that sort of opprobrium and warrant this much caution.

maybe they really are still talking about blood magic and it's only on thedas it's such a disaster. he's not sure he likes that thought, but he is trying to see this through someone else's eyes easier to do when you don't have any of your own.
]

And it means a great deal to you, [he did catch that change in tone!] to have been among them. I can understand why, with the power to save those you've charge over at your disposal. [is that admiration? probably!]

It's rare, you've said--is it inborn, among humans? Or something you learn? I recall that magic comes from natural sources in Xadia, but not whether you'd ever mentioned that.
bloodwit: (but the people)

[personal profile] bloodwit 2019-11-04 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
[ subtle as the admiration be, and that he's shown understanding - even as shallow as that understanding may be, as it's a truth ridden with holes, viren feels a bit of a glow at that. it even gets something of a smile returned to his voice (though, the reminder of have been among them does still rankle, slightly). ]

It is something one must learn... And like most subjects, some have more of a knack for it than others.

[ accurate to both primal magic and dark magic, viren supposes. just... a touch different when applied to humans. his smile's faded, and he thinks he favors changing the topic at this point. ]

[ because, even if he would generally love to elaborate, he already feels as if he's shared too much. ]

[ with more bitterness entering into his tone -- ]

Always a shame, that we're reduced to mere talk about magic.
faithlikeaseed: (blind - chatter)

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2019-11-12 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
[he gets the sense--not suddenly, more as the slow creep of the tide up a beach--that there are things he will never be told here.

it's less overt (confrontational, fun) than when linden does it and thus invokes his circle-bred instincts not to pry. lightly,
]

That it is, and while I'd love to hear more of the shape it took for you, it is rather like swallowing ashes, isn't it?

Have you had any more success pressing the Coven's scholars on the whys and hows of that loss?
bloodwit: (if i forsake you)

[personal profile] bloodwit 2019-11-12 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I have not, thus far.

[ that's easier to answer. ]

And yourself? Any success to your own digging? [ yes, just gonna make the wild presumption here that myr has maybe inquired a few times. ]
faithlikeaseed: (blind - why is the world like this)

[personal profile] faithlikeaseed 2019-11-24 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
[wow how rude, to think myr would be passionately interested in why his magic had vanished to the point he'd keep bothering the coven about it.

(he totally had.)
]

Not a word, [he says through a sigh,] or rather not any new words. There's certainly interest in how we came to be here but it's--understandably--not the most pressing thing on their minds right now.

What I'd not give to avail myself of their library, [with the barest note of bitter sadness.] Even if it's not yielded much to anyone yet on why we're here.

[he'd at least feel like research into his own fate was more in his hands, rather than having to rely on people who rarely had time to spare.]